2009-02-01 WNServer

Mattis Manzel:
The day-page set wiki-net lists the wikis currently in our “focus”. A change in this day-page-set means our focus has changed. It means we added a wiki to or we removed a wiki from our wiki-net. The wiki-net-feed can inform the wikis in our focus about the fact that we are watching them.

2007-12-21 WNServer

one unit per hive rather than one unit for the entire wiki-net

MattisManzel:
TheSheep and I tinged about the wiki-net server recently [1]. I realized that it takes one unit per hive rather than one unit for the entire wiki-net. Decentralisation and autonomy are the principles, sorry folks for thinking “a little too simpel” on the upper level for a while. It’s all new to me too, know? So: Hives choose what other hives they want to be in a common wiki-net with. A single wiki in a hive can only choose another single wiki in another wiki-hive as a neighbor when the hive it sits in and the hive the other wiki sits in are in a common-wiki net. The wiki-net server of a hive reads only from the wiki-net servers of hives the hive is in a common wiki-net with.

Every wiki can choose any wiki as a neighbor. But the full features: cross-hive searchability, automatic update of whether the face, wiki-idea, events are being watched (…?) will only work, if the hive the wiki sits in, makes a common wiki-net with the wiki it neigbors to.

Finally it’s just applying the wiki-way, whoever can make a new phrase, page, wiki or even a new hive. Whoever can fork, into a new page, wiki, hive or even a new wiki-net making its own connections to others as it wants. But don’t worry. CollectiveIntelligence will be to sexy to do that.

2007-12-15 WNServer

re-circular in the feeds watched by wikis

A reworked chat in freenode #oddmuse

mattis^: SamRose your biting / chewing technique sounds sympathetic to me.
SamRose:
mattis^: The section “Currently watching the xxx” should be replaced with the inclusion of a rss-feed the wiki-net server “delivers back”, kinda.
TheSheep: mattis^: xxx?
mattis^: events, face, wiki-idea, wiki-list. For example on obm-wiki-hive / sl-camp-wiki: wiki-net wiki-ideas.
The wiki-net server reads the wiki-net-feed of a wiki and puts out four feeds for different day-page sets being watched.
The “who helps here?” is another story.
That means if the community of the “xyz-wiki” changes the selection of faces included on its wiki net faces the wiki-net server would update the feeds delivered to the wikis that are currently watching the face of the “xyz-wiki” within a few hours: add new ones, remove those not watched anymore.
SamRose: mattis^ huh, wow
mattis^: hopefully
SamRose: mattis^ How are you doing that again? Is it re-circular in the feeds watched by wikis?
mattis^: I just do it manually now. Would be a good example for learning to program. I mean, I don’t have to understand it all at once. Biting comes first, chewing later.
mattis^: Hmm, “re-circular in the feeds watched by wikis”, dunno, maybe?

2006-12-05 WNServer

MattisManzel copied in from Main:SocialSynergy/2006-12-03

SamRose:
wiki-net server is awesome!

“Who Helps Here” and “Helps On” are actually great ideas, too. it would be good to get people to list those types of links in the different wikis they are active in, to encourage WikiNet and InterWiki collaboration.

I wonder if WikiNet Server functions can be decentralized, or spread out among many? As in LionKimbro’s vision below, but perhaps installed on the same server as each wiki engine. Perhaps this would be redundant, but it could also keep the system from breaking by having one failure point.

MattisManzel:
True, a wiki-hive software-bundle should contain a wiki-net server. As decentratized as possible. And each wiki-net server suports some other wikis. But lets aim to get one for oddwiki running first. I’d love some tech-talk how that could be done.

2006-10-11 WNServer

MattisManzel:
LionKimbro wrote on community-wiki: 2006-10-11, I copied it in here:.

I am glad to see BlogControlledByWiki, WikiNodes, and RecentNearChanges rolled up into a single vision, “WikiNet.” The software to back it up does not exist yet, but it is not difficult to write. What is required is (A) a spider, to traverse the WikiNodesNetwork?, and (B) some guidelines, so that the spider can pick up RSS feed information. From there, you can make a webpage that publishes a summary of what the spider has discovered, and so on. Then, you can make a number of applications that allow you to visualize the network, to quickly navigate it, to collect statistics, and so on, and so forth. This is a course that can tangibly lead to the first visualizations of the ProjectSpaceNetwork.

2006-09-30 WNServer

SamRose:
Mattis, we’re going to create wiki-net for the BarCampBank project soon.

So, we’ll try implement your structure, and of course you are welcome to help.

2006-09-29 WNServer

earlier talk

MattisManzel:
Couldn’t someone blow out some key words how such technically could be realized? I have absolutely no clue and it all sounds so ridiculous without any attempt to say how to create a real implementation of it.

hmm. the parts on WikiNetChanges, WikiNetBlogs and WhoHelpsHerePages telling about who’s watching us could be included from a wiki-net-server-wiki. It’s an automatic wiki that is driven by the wiki-net feeds of wikis connecting to the wiki-net-server. When a new wiki appears in any of the wiki-net feeds coming in the wiki-net-server automatically creates three new pages on it. One for what other wikis currently have it on its wiki-net changes, one for wiki-net-blogs and one for other wiki’s who helps here? also having people listed on it that are on the “who cares here?” of the new wiki. From there we include the respective part into the pages.

So the wiki-net-server must receive wiki-net feeds and change an automatic wiki according to them. How to do that?

Notes from chat in irc #oddmuse:

The wiki-net looks like a wikilog aggregator at first glance but is integrated in the wikis themselves and - important - is driven by the communities, not by individuals. Everybody steers the ship, collective helicopter piloting so to say.

Obviously it’s simplier to pull the rss feeds from the wikis than to make the wikis push it to the server. Learning about the near-map is important.

make clear when talking about a wiki page and when talking about a concept.

To “enlist” a wiki, you need to enter its feed url.

To make the terminology better understandable add a noun “page”, “feed”, “subscription”, etc. When talking about pages on multiple wiki mention which page is on which wiki.

Packing up the feed into a wiki-net-feed and later untangeling it into different pages again seems uneffective.

The wiki-net idea is to make wikis poke each other a little like in blogosphere. It’s to (metaphore “feel the other’s gaze on your skin” - just that it’s not a vage feeling but a concrete wiki-page that everybody can look at and follow the link on it to the previously unknown stranger who’s gazing.

So it’s planetplanet for wikis? Or just for wikilogs?

http://planet.gnome.org/ is a great example of a planet setup. Feeding planetplanet a wiki changelog might be annoying.

Test: inserting the rss 2.0 feed of planet Debian into the page wiki-net blogs.

See mutante’s test of the planet-wiki-net for s23-wiki: wiki-net changes.