2008-11-23 Talk

Join the ting - this week trying out EtherPad.com at http://tingting.notlong.com

 Welcome to the EtherPad Ting!

As you edit this text area, anyone else viewing this same page will see your changes in realtime. You can see their edits in realtime also. To share this pad, just send them the URL:

    http://etherpad.com/eYBg8zBgy6 
    or easier to remember http://tingting.notlong.com  

I’ll try to announce the ting for sunday 18:00 UTC on the collab-editor-wiki tomorrow http://oddwiki.org/odd/CollabEditor/FrontPage

• It was mentioned on the day page: http://oddwiki.org/odd/CollabEditor/2008-11-23_Talk

Any topic proposals?

1) Mattis wants to know how EtherPad works with 9 people on one page. 2) Day Page Sets 3) Specific Recent Changes and Granular Recent Changes 4) Name inventing 5) Abbreviations are eeeeeeveil

1)

• Mattis Manzel
• Radomir Dopleralski
• MarkDilley
• Vartan 5 to go

2) Made a new day-page-set, this time for a list of day-pages. http://socialsynergyweb.net/cgi-bin/wiki/PppDe/TagesSeitenS%C3%A4tze

Say, if I needed a particular set of day-pages, would it be less work to just create my own, or to find one that you made?

Every wiki can start their own, type of flowers for sale for every flower-shop-wiki, kinda. Flowers-for sale-feed. All existing day-page-sets are gathered on the [[one_big_day-page-set?]].

Wouldn’t it be too much of everything then? Why not just make these sets whenever one is needed, special order, so to say…

No. It’s sortable. Sure whenever ne. What do we do now?eded. Important is that all wikis can get it when a new type of day-page-det has been started, so they can join in if it’s a good idea. City-wikis can have all kinds of schedules for busses, trains, exibitions and stuff. It’s infinite. It’s global link language.

It’s easier to make up my own name and aggregate the feeds, than to think of how somebody could have named it and then search it on some list.

Easier but less effective.

Make up your own name, np. Let the new name be fed into the one big day-page-set. Some days later some guys might tell you, “we have a similar day-page-set with the name xyz. What next, shall we rename ours or do you do it?”

Man, fun ‘em tings. A pitty Mark isn’t around.

I don’t know, they still feel empty to me without any topic.

One should do them as bar-camps. Everybody writes a few lines about what zhe’d like to ting and then: off it goes!

Would something as a web-preview be possible with EtherPad?

The save function is convenient btw. Sufficient I guess.

Mark is embarrased to be late

Hey, no problem. I forgot it too, and the collab-editor-wiki page I didn’t create either. But I will. Post-ting-page, kinda.

Catching up - so you are talking about stiching together related day pages into one stream?

Jepp, they are already in one stream, instant shared local names. As far as they’re already “local-namified”. I’s a bit of work but it’s really worth it.

Hello Radomir and Mattis - have you checked out the chat?

3) This is my thinking on a similart topic - http://www.aboutus.org/Granular_Recent_Changes

Hihi, granular, sounds good. I refers to siggi’s granulation of money. If there isn’t enough of it anymore you make the /4 a /8 a /16 a /32 … ok because the money on planet earth stay exacatly 1 eTerra always.

sigis - looking up - is it a person?

yes - ok

Ok - let me get my head around day page changes in stream because they are already local namized

I did a day page entry for this Ting several days ago - so if I was watching the stream for Tings, this would come up with every other day page mention of Ting?

So it’s about making a one huge wiki, and finding ways to scale Recent Changes to this size, it seems. Mattis seems to go from the direction of joining lots of small wikis, while Mark goes into direction of dividing one large wiki…

Yes

A day-page-set Alert!, defcon-1-feed, lol.

Actually - I think what will happen is stiching many small wikis with several large wikis - I love what Mattis is working towards.

Thanks, I agree, several huge ones, many small ones. I’ll love o see it visualzed and take the shape of the human brain, probably. Difference is the first changes evolution, the latter change we. And we are much faster.

With Granular Recent Changes - I actually want to be able to follow any wiki topic on any wiki and any person or any combination of the two accross any wiki.

MediaWiki has achieved this - without them really knowing - I call what they have Specific RecentChanges - Their Related Changes fuction is horrible in every instance - except on a category page - then it is a specific recent change stream for that category - it is awesome.

I’m not following the “big white”. Sometime mutante lets me know about new things on Mediawiki. The potential is enourmous. Such is the encyclopedia dust all over.

let me get a link - ah, the joys of working on a wiki where you don’t have control over what is broken, let me go look at the pedia

This sounds as if you have interesting stuff to tell me, Mark.

Well - I think of it more as sharing, cuz I just leared about day page streaming

Hi Vartan

pick blue or so. Cool, thx.

Hi Mattis. on it. you’re welcome (yw).

whao, colors change all over the document when you change yours. Not sure gobby does that, no, I think.

Specific RecentChanges → http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:1956_births

4) Funny, the text “Related Recent Changes” would make me think it displays Recent Changes of pages within certain link distance of the current page…

Yea, it is a horrible name

When you look at Related Recent Changes on any page - it hurts, it is such a mess - can’t decipher why the button is useful.

Radomir, is this what you were expecting from the name? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Theresa_Burke

I guess so, judging from the description. I suppose I would go a certain distance both up and down the tree though. But that’s just me reinventing that. It makes sense to follow only linked pages – because linking seems to be kind of a weak inclusion.

I agree. For me following links in the page - is messy - but following changes from a category link seems extremely relevant.

Inventing names is an art. Wikizens should know it

Yes and it is wonderful to be around Ward - who is so good at it.

YES I sat face to face with Ward at the wikimania 05, we didn’t talk. I had just arrived.

I hope you get a chance to talk with him face to face (f2f).

Great summing up touched topics on top Mark, btw. Best jam-session-style. We tag them and get recent discussions on certain topics in tings.

What’s f2f, sorry. I must be told publicly, I guess - it’s late here, know …

Mattis, f2f = face to face

lol, I thought it’s a conference I missed.

Ha. Many of them are named in such a manner, I must admit.

An interesting misunderstanding. Our abreviated language starts getting hazy.

Sorry, one thing I rail against, is the evil abbreviations- and I got caught using one

Eveil

Patterns:

DARNIT. My backspace key got stuck. No, seriously. Must be some dirt.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeveil (the Hungarians knit Hungarian carpets the first days of moon-edit in january 05)

Ultimate Pattern (maybe eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveil. (this might be considered spamming )

It is.

Period. Silence. Contemplation.

P r o f i t !!!

So that’s how spammers make money. It all makes sense now. Now I’m waiting for it. tick, tock tick, tock

Shame that it doesn’t somehow mark at which height in the document each cursor is It’s hard to see what’s changing.

Yes, I was just thinking that - how does it compare to Gobby in that respect?

Same, pretty much. I think it’s a pretty accurate reimplementation, with a few annoyances fixed.

You know what would be a good feature for EtherPad (in my horribly disfigured and disfunctional mind?) If the places where people were editing currently was pinpointed. For example… if you are scrolled down at the bottom of the document, but Mark, for example, is editing at the top… a yellow arrow (his color) appears pointing that he is editing up there. That way I, as well as others, don’t get lost where everything is going on.

It would be enough to just have several colored bars on the scrollbar, to see how others have scrolled their view.

Even better. Didn’t come to mind.

What I was thinking is if there was just a line at the top that I couls se what each contributor was typing.

MoonEdit has several cursors and a rocking history. And it’s frigging proprietary.

A. rocking history = rocks back and forth = unstable? or B. rocking history = awesome history?

Also a real wiki diff implementation would help

sorry, it’s awesome, I meant.

Silence, he said. Candy, I hate. Murder, she wrote.

How’s your German?

My German sausage? Or the guy who lives next door? Or my ability to speak German (which does not exist?)

“But when he, upon the street, the (in-satin-and-silk-covered-now-very-unconstrained-after-the-newest-fashioned-dressed) government counselor’s wife met,” Wenn er aber auf der Strasse der in Samt und Seide gehüllten, jetzt sehr ungeniert nach der neuesten Mode gekleideten Gattin des Regierungsrats begegnete.

VartanSimonian? (12:57): /me is color-happy VartanSimonian? (12:57): wonder… does color change in chat? VartanSimonian? (12:57): if you change it up there? VartanSimonian? (12:57): testing it out… (changes color) VartanSimonian? (12:57): aha VartanSimonian? (12:57): it doesn’t

I did for me - viewing it

aha - it doesn’t, unless you type something (at least for me)

Am I the only one here running a server on their IP? (/me out of curiosity checks - apparently not)

Hmm… you know what? I think I might be able to code a greasemonkey script to utilize EtherPad as an editor for a MediaWiki wiki… /me is going to try it out - should I try to (no guarantees) or not?

Try

This is definitely the future of edit conflict resolution.

EtherPad is a tiny bit slower than gobby in our session. Sometimes three or four letters add at a time while gobby is really almost 1:1. But this is no disadvantage at all.

really fast typing test: yu5n0765i9nbu359358u53u8hjb6uj64gjtui9rwetv49694jbh94jy93jyv934mty4b9uimbue4rngi5jhyt45jnyvi5njyb8u53jybu35nhjuybhj

how did that work out for others (3 or 4 or more?)

tab key doesn’t work as expected - there should be tab stops

I do see a slight lag.

ma: Aarg EtherPad ain’t open source, wtf?

Can’t have everything.

You can’t always forget what you want - The Rolling Stones.

Well, OK, the client side is open source by virtue of being javascript – at least open source in the sense that you can look under the hood.

color stuff is also wonky at the moment. like I have no color right now and I was tacking on color before.

post ting comments

Mattis Manzel:
Yeah, thanks MarkDilley for copying in the ting from the EtherPad page, well done.
A good idea, I think, would be to commonly check the wiki page of the last ting in the beginning of a new ting. Might lead to some topical continuance. You know, I’m not against discontinuance, oh, not all all. Continuance just should have its chance. Thanks.

2008-07-26 Talk

FlashmeeTing

MattisManzel:
Note to self: Should be set up. No fixed topic, topic proposals before, gobby running parallel. Export to wiki after the FlashmeeTing?.

http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/home.html

2008-02-05 Talk

revolution permanente

MattisManzel :
there’s a new tool that could turn out to be pretty useful for tings:

• http://perspective-numerique.net/RV.html

2007-12-12 Talk

Collaborate

MattisManzel:

Work together. Even if you’re not.

Another collab-editor http://mattcolyer.com/projects/collaborate/

Seems (jabber and) gedit thus Linux only if I’m not going wrong. Should be tried out.

2007-08-31 Talk

customized world clock

Appointing for tings is done in UTC (Universal Time Code). That’s GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) +- some nanoseconds.

A useful tool for finding out

• http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=2

2007-08-19 Talk

MattisManzel:
The sobby standalone server on ting.sheep.art.pl port 6522 for the tings - like today - is back up after the fatal disk crash. The web-preview will be soon.

2007-08-09 Talk

fatal disc-crash, postponing 2007-08-12 ting

MattisManzel:
We suffered a fatal disc-crash on the gobby standalone server. The new set-up will take some days. The ting on 2007-08-12 will be postponed (maybe to Thursday 2007-08-16, not sure yet). Sunday 2007-08-19 is ting (except if heaven falls on our head in between).

2007-02-10 Talk

ToDoSamRose?:
Create page that describes installation of Gobby on Mac with Ubuntu LiveCD?

2006-09-19 Talk

MattisManzel:
Made wiki-net tings and connected our tings to those of the ting-camp-wiki.

2006-06-02 Talk

MattisManzel:
Invited the reboot-folks for a ting after reboot8.

2006-05-12 Talk

MattisManzel:
Made the collab-editor-wiki. Hi. Picture for the banner is from here.