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  - * Hi all, My thinking was that all the comments could be deleted just because the first comment and the GM's conflicted on every point. I have a hard time with "he said she said" comments with accusations from users because they're hard to substantiate. I understand why the comment was put back and it's cool. And I do want to say it's nice to see real talk about it and cooperation where everyone stays on topic on a Talk page. :)	+ * Hi all, My thinking was that all the comments could be deleted just because the first comment and the GM's conflicted on every point. I understand why the first comments were put back and it's cool. I also think Adam's response and handling of this reflects well on him and Comfory Suites as was said by William. And I do want to say it's nice to see real talk about it and cooperation where everyone stays on topic on a Talk page. I like resolution! :) ["Users/jsbmeb" "Myra"]

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  - Started in a Davis ["On Campus Co-ops" campus co-op] living room in 1972 with ["Ann Evans"] as one of the founders, the Davis Food Co-op has grown into a full-service food cooperative owned and operated by almost 10,000 local households.	+ Started in a Davis ["On Campus Co-ops" campus co-op] living room in 1972, led by ["Ann Evans"], the eventual Davis Food Co-op has grown into a full-service food cooperative owned and operated by almost 10,000 local households.

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  - '''Users/BruceHansen''' is a ["people" person] named ["Bruce Hansen"]. ("Users are people too". --["JabberWokky" jw]) ["Users/BruceHansen" Art] is my taxi persona. - - Someone claimed that three to five people may have used this user account. That's not true; only one person has.	+ '''Users/BruceHansen''' is a ["people" person] named ["Bruce Hansen"]. ("Users are people too". --["JabberWokky" jw]) "Art" is my taxi operator persona. + + Someone claimed that three to five people may have used this user account. That's not true, except once I left a public terminal without logging off and once I let someone practice editing on my computer while I was still logged on and they pressed the "Save Changes" button. I then had them re-edit using their own account.
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  - Secondly, considerable numbers of people have said that I resemble Gary Busey. - - The other night an interesting fellow after we had briefly met, was the first to tell me that I reminded him of Noam Chomsky (my cousin). - - see also ["Users/BruceHansen/Incubator" /Incubator]	+ A lot of others used to say that I resembled Gary Busey. One interesting fellow with a cab-full of ladies one night was the first and only to tell me that I reminded him of Noam Chomsky (my cousin). + + Now I'm starting to hear that I look like Jesus (the Thorvaldsen one, I believe). + + * ["Users/BruceHansen/Editing Complaints" /Editing Complaints] + * ["Users/BruceHansen/Incubator" /Incubator]

• 05:11 UTC Users/BruceHansen
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  - Fact #1: Other editors have discussed many specific edits with you. - Fact #2: Other editors have told you how those edits violate wiki norms. - Fact #3: You have continued to violate those wiki norms with subsequent edits, and insisted that editors provide new explanations. - Fact #4: The editors have repeated the explanations (many, many, many times), but you continue to break wiki norms. - Fact #5: Other editors have become frustrated because you repeatedly ignore wiki norms -- and they have stated this. - Fact #6: Other editors have become frustrated because, each time, you act as though you are hearing these explanations for the first time -- and they have stated this. - Fact #7: When other editors try to discuss their concerns and frustrations with you, you either ignore them or derail the discussion with side issues. - - All of these facts are demonstrably true. Do you disagree with any of them? If so, please state which ones. It would help other editors understand where your thinking is. It would be most helpful if you just answered the question "yes or no," and then listed which facts you disagree with, if any.	+ (Just a user in a place on the wiki, where anyone can do just about anything as long as it's related to Davis. Right?) + + '''Users/BruceHansen''' is a ["people" person] named ["Bruce Hansen"]. ("Users are people too". --["JabberWokky" jw]) ["Users/BruceHansen" Art] is my taxi persona. + + Someone claimed that three to five people may have used this user account. That's not true; only one person has. + + A lot of people over the years have told me that I look like Bill Clinton. Some call me "Bill". Bobby Kennedy, Jr., when he saw me in Davis, told me that I was a "dead ringer" for him. That was a scary thought. + + Secondly, considerable numbers of people have said that I resemble Gary Busey. + + The other night an interesting fellow after we had briefly met, was the first to tell me that I reminded him of Noam Chomsky (my cousin). + + see also ["Users/BruceHansen/Incubator" /Incubator] + + [[Comments]] + + [previous comments deleted] + + ''2011-11-05 17:42:01'' [[nbsp]] apparently at the Domes, they have some volunteer project going on --["Users/ndah100"] + ------ + ''2011-11-06 15:26:09'' [[nbsp]] yeah man I should have written a comment along as well saying why I deleted that part of your user page. Well I deleted it on the fact that i was trying to read it, but the page I tried to access didn't exist, therefore I deleted the sentence so in the future when someone clicked on it, that they wouldn't be outraged. --["Users/ndah100"] + ------ + ''2011-11-07 16:04:52'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the edits on the ["Tragic Events"] pages. They could still use some work, but it's obviously a potentially emotional subject, so I'm reluctant to dig into it too heavily all at once. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2011-11-08 22:18:06'' [[nbsp]] Yes, peril surely awaits those who forget about history. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2011-11-13 00:32:25'' [[nbsp]] India is not located in Davis, and while Monsanto is in Woodland, I don't think they are in Davis either. Is there something about this video that relates to Davis that I'm missing? --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-11-13 12:17:00'' [[nbsp]] Monsanto certainly has a great deal of influence in Davis, just as they do in any ag town, or on any campus with an ag program. That said, I still don't see the actual relevance of India suing the main company, as the main company is not based in Davis. Unless you're implying that because something is present in Davis than it is thus relevant, which seems somewhat dubious reasoning to establish relevance. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-11-14 07:08:28'' [[nbsp]] eh well not anymore, the page in question was extremely outdated, and CP gave me somewhat of an overview idea of how to restore a deleted page + Thank you for asking though + Btw did you see what happened to the Fara page? It was on the RC yesterday, but it's not there anymore? --["Users/ndah100"] + ------ + ''2011-11-14 07:09:04'' [[nbsp]] Wow never mind i see the page now -.- --["Users/ndah100"] + ------ + ''2011-11-14 18:48:34'' [[nbsp]] apologies for putting up the departed business macro on the Village Cab page. I realized it was hasty after I did it and thats why I removed it a few minutes later. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"] + ------ + ''2011-11-14 18:51:23'' [[nbsp]] Is village cab really a departed business? I see at least 2 cabs per trip I make in town --["Users/ndah100"] + ------ + ''2011-11-16 13:56:14'' [[nbsp]] Could work. Just depends on whether the community got involved. There are a huge number of wikis on Wikispot (I think tens of thousands), including thousands of community wikis. Very, very, very few of those are built up much at all. It's not a matter of size so much as of community interest. + + I'm not sure I follow on the suggestion for sub-wikis for Davis. How would that work? What would be the point when we've already got DavisWiki? --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2011-11-18 03:35:43'' [[nbsp]] I deleted the entry because it appears to be a way to try and shield a page you know to be inappropriate by claiming "it's still being built... so just wait for the relevance" in perpetuity. It also is a convenient way to shield the entry and prohibit cooperative editing by claiming that you are working on it, trying to bring it up to a certain standard as a single author, so wait (again, in perpetuity) for the finished result before other people can edit it. Or perhaps you simply don't understand the word "incubate". I deleted it, but feel free to restore it. If it's really as off-base in subject and presentation as it appears to be, other people will also delete it. At some point in that process, you should ponder if it really is relevant, or if you're missing a very significant point regarding that type of entry that you keep creating. A point that many people have tried to convey to you on many occasions. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-11-23 09:11:52'' [[nbsp]] Thanks Bruce! --["Users/MeggoWaffle"] + ------ + On my computer, having no space in front of the link looks like__CovertProfessor__, but having a space in front of the link looks like __CovertProfessor__. As a rule, HTML does not show multiple spaces in a row. You must have a very unusual setup if you are seeing multiple spaces. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + * External links all have a little grey arrow coming out of a box in front of them; is that what you mean by an extra space? --cp + * Yes. Internal links act for me as you say, but I do have this issue with external links. I see a rectangle with an arrow that takes up at least a space with an external link. + * Ok. Yes, the arrow takes up space, but it is not itself an empty space. I think it looks very strange, not to mention hard to read, to have the previous word right next to the arrow and the link. If you look, all the pages on the wiki that have external links use a space before the external link. --cp + * I know that's the way all those links are. You're saving me a lot of work. It's still the season to be thankful. + ------ + ''2011-11-25 14:50:03'' [[nbsp]] So you are saying that, in your mind, that Occupy UC Davis and Occupy Davis are the same thing? --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-11-25 16:45:27'' [[nbsp]] I'm sorry, I think your computer messed up. Your message to me didn't really make any sense. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-11-28 17:16:16'' [[nbsp]] I don't understand what you're saying in [http://daviswiki.org/November_18%2C_2011_UC_Davis_Police_Response_to_Occupy_UC_Davis?action=diff&version2=452&version1=451 this edit]. How did she emotionally refer to November 17? What do you mean by "from her past?" How did that reference bring attention to her role in Greek education? --["Users/TomGarberson"] + When [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42EtPImcRUk Katehi spoke] to the 11/21 Rally she, people have observed, emotionally referred to Nov. 17, 1973. Most peope weren't aware of the deadly assault on the university she was attending. When attention was focused on it people bacame aware of her [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/katehi-defends-role-in-police-return-to-greek-campuses/ role in rolling back] the campus assylum from the police that began after the fall of the junta. --["Users/BruceHansen"] + Her comments were in response to a sign that she saw in the crowd; in her remarks she refers to it as a "plaque," but I think she just chose the wrong word in the heat of the moment. --cp + I guess my point is... it's written in a vague and confusing way ("people have observed" is also very vague). How about clarifying? --tg + Bruce-how does someone "emotionally refer" to a date...either they specifically state the date or they don't?? I'm confused too. --["PeteB"] + I just took out "emotionally" since it's problematic. Some people have observed that she got emotional when talking about it. bh + ------ + ''2011-11-29 14:00:37'' [[nbsp]] While the "no" edit comment may have been rude, how was William's edit illogical? [http://daviswiki.org/November_18%2C_2011_UC_Davis_Police_Response_to_Occupy_UC_Davis?action=diff&version2=493&version1=492 Your edit] removed a space, making it the["Quad"], and turned it into a link to a redirect - ["Quad"] redirects to ["The Quad"]. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + I wasn't talking about that. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, however. That was a quick edit error that I made. What I was talking about was my renaming "The Quad" where I commented "Renamed from "The Quad" (not The West Quad, The East Quad, etc.)" and William did "Revert to version 26 (pointless fiddling)." Seems to me The Quad, The East Quad... is logical not "pointless" and shoudn't be; The Quad, East Quad... is illogical. + ------ + ''2011-11-29 15:35:08'' [[nbsp]] People are against [wiki:wikipedia:pigeonholing], which is why several of the catagories and sub-headers and sub-sub-headers you keep adding keep getting removed. --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + brenton says-thanks sir, for the kind words, i have the same message, i simply despise incorrect delivery. + ------ + ''2011-11-30 07:36:08'' [[nbsp]] I did not propose those changes, I did not make those changes, and I did not agree to those changes. So, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. ''Note that this is not an invitation to discuss the issue further.'' I have no interest in your wasting my time any further. At least TG did not make a mess of the page or propose a pointless edit. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2011-11-30 10:10:56'' [[nbsp]] "Introduction" has no content whatsoever. It's a meaningless header. Using it would be like a newspaper using "Headline" as the headline for a story. Sometimes it's appropriate for formal writing, or for more complex documents where you might have distinctly different sections (for legal documents, we generally have an Introduction section which includes an overview of the argument, followed by an Argument section which gets into each argument in far greater detail). But as a general principle, it's always better to include content in headers (or headlines) than to use content-free headers, unless there's some specific reason to do otherwise. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2011-11-30 10:38:41'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, that was my impression. Thanks! --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2011-11-30 10:56:00'' [[nbsp]] The title of the article is in the light blue bar. There is no need to repeat it. The typical table of contents for a webpage does not include the title of the work or the first section (as it usually appears after it or next to it). For example, see [wiki:wikipedia:"Naranath Bhranthan"]. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-11-30 11:02:43'' [[nbsp]] To be clear: JW is exactly right, there's generally no need for a header at the top of an article. That's what the page title is for in big ol' letters at the top of the page. I used a header at the start there for organizational purposes, since it's kind of an umbrella for different sections below it. On a page that wasn't quite so huge, it wouldn't be necessary. I certainly don't mean to imply that putting redundant headers that repeat the title repeat the title of the page is good. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2011-11-30 11:25:04'' [[nbsp]] Tom and I are adding a introductory section now, although both of us feel ill-informed to do it justice. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + An introductory section before a heading seems to be the convention -bh + Ah, okay. Thanks for the tip. I shall endeavor to do that in the future. -jw + ------ + ''2011-12-01 16:33:38'' [[nbsp]] As my edit comment suggested, that was an edit by request, not specifically what I think is best. You might want to talk to Tom. He was just looking for a different take on it. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-12-01 22:08:05'' [[nbsp]] The only problem with tweaking photo size too much is that it doesn't work out well on small screens. I usually have my browser window sized somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of the width of my screen. With the photo and the TOC at their current size, they stack one on top of the other if I'm at 1/2 width. I've currently got it around 2/3 width and they're OK, but they look strange with the text up there. I dunno... my personal preference, just in terms of aesthetics, was having the photo and TOC at the top with the text just below. But it's not a huge deal. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2011-12-02 07:19:01'' [[nbsp]] That arrangement of the TOC, photo, and text comes out looking quite nice, at least with my current window size. Thanks! --["Users/TomGarberson"] + Yes you may have seen the size increase from 400 to 500. If there were a photo above the text with a little bold at the beginning of the text, that's pretty much it. + ------ + ''2011-12-11 09:11:57'' [[nbsp]] You definitely aren't starting any cab drama on this one. I don't want to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. I will say, though, that if the accusations remain, your explanation should remain as well. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2011-12-11 13:58:49'' [[nbsp]] I just read it again, and I figured I'd say that in my view, responding to accusations is not starting drama. Josh obviously feels strongly enough to step back in and make a statement, and it's perfectly reasonable to make your counter statement. I don't see any drama here (''now if it goes on back and forth with no real way of figuring anything out, that's drama''). --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2011-12-15 07:33:11'' [[nbsp]] Two things. 1) I think JW's comment was more about your tendency to put things onto a talk page, rather than just on the page directly. It's an extra step of editing. 2) I don't think it's specifically relevant to Davis. A report just released was rather broad, and it applies to the entire country. Right now, it's illegal in California to use the phone while driving unless it's handsfree. Generically relevant, as is "drunk driving isn't allowed." New report says "even hands free phone = bad" - no direct Davis relevance. It's not a law. It's a suggestion. It's a news story, and it's not specifically about Davis. It's only tangentially linked to the topic. When people on the wiki say "Davis relevance" they're not talking about whether the item is somehow connected to the TOPIC. They're talking about what Davis-specific context it has. Tom tried to compromise with you by adding it in with mention of affecting cabs, and I'll leave that alone. But if a news story was just released that said 'maybe .08 is too high of a BAC, drunk driving should be considered .04," it's not worth mentioning on this wiki. It's not Davis specific, it's a news story/report/whatever. If/when, it becomes law, it'll be just as relevant as the current .08 limit. But there's no specific Davis relevance. The issue I take with you adding it to transportation and taxi is it's so generic. In that context, it can be put on multiple pages (some private ambulances use phones. Pickup truck and small moving companies, etc. But we don't need a generic non-Davis news story link put on all these pages mentioning the exact same thing in similar contexts (may be an issue) ---- it doesn't tell us anything about these topics IN DAVIS. It's just topically tangentially connected. Its filler and fluff and dilutes the wiki). Does that make sense? I feel like this has come up before. --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2011-12-25 08:12:58'' [[nbsp]] 1 - things must be relevant to Davis. 2 - other people have to agree for collaborative editing. I think we finally nailed down the relevancy issue, but now it's collaborative editing: just because it meets the first criteria (relevancy) doesn't mean others agree that something is noteworthy/worth changing/etc. In this case, William gave his specific reasoning on the talk page. I haven't seen yours, unless it was the catagorical/hierarchal naming convention you prefer. --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2011-12-25 08:13:45'' [[nbsp]] And yes, a user can so just about anything. So can the other users ;) --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2011-12-31 17:23:17'' [[nbsp]] I believe Occupy Davis will be trying different sorts of tactics (i.e., not camping out) in 2012. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2011-12-31 20:46:20'' [[nbsp]] Soooooo..... Denali and Lassen are National Parks... what makes you think that those streets are named after the mountains rather than the national parks?????? --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2012-01-02 13:31:07'' [[nbsp]] If you look, you'll see that pages like ["Facebook"], ["LiveJournal"], etc., do have Davis-specific content in them. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2012-01-02 13:31:58'' [[nbsp]] Hey, I use Meetup all the time, and love it. In fact, earlier today I posted to my Google Plus: "I got an email from Meetup.com that referred to everybody as Meetuppers. I misread it as Muppeteers, and then Meatpuppets. Meetuppers is not going to work as a coined word for me." Posting the email is probably not the right way to kick off a page about it, however. At the very least, it's probably not released to Creative Commons to do with as you please. As an aside, Meetup is how I met the likes of ["Users/BillKendrick"] and other folks from Davis before I even moved there. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2012-01-02 13:56:17'' [[nbsp]] Just about the only one that is lame is ["Xanga"] and that was related to ["LiveJournal"] which was quite Davis-specific. Everyone else can see the difference. Oh, and ["Xanga"] is a billion times less lame than the worthless copy/paste of an email that was {{{["Meetup"]}}}.--["Users/WilliamLewis"] + ------ + ''2012-01-02 19:07:46'' [[nbsp]] I'm not sure what you mean. I said I like Meetup, and gave you an example of it being active locally, but that email probably isn't legal to use. I'm not sure what that has to do with either glasses or Mouseketeers in your reply. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2012-01-02 19:57:29'' [[nbsp]] Ah! I understand now. I didn't get the connection between muppeteers and mouseketeers. Heh. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2012-01-04 14:34:49'' [[nbsp]] Hey Bruce, is Davis Friends Meeting the same group as the Friends of West Pond? I saw the link that you added to the FOWP page, but didn't see a connection between the groups otherwise. --["Users/jefftolentino"] + ------ + ''2012-01-04 22:55:24'' [[nbsp]] I'm asking you to stop linking or classifying subjects based on words rather than meaning because you have proven over an extended period of time that you are incapable of doing this in any useful fashion. Cleaning up your messes is not a good use of editor time. --["Users/WilliamLewis"] + ------ + ''2012-01-06 15:08:23'' [[nbsp]] Bruce, that Yahoo news article had nothing to do with O'Reilly Auto Parts in Davis. --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2012-01-06 16:02:43'' [[nbsp]] The goal of the wiki is to catalog and capture the essence of what's within Davis, not cross-catalog everything that's even tangentially related. There are hundreds of news articles published daily, about hundreds of topics. Thousands. They don't all deserve mention. In fact, very few do. I can summarize your article with quoting one line from it: "According to a story in the Los Angeles Times, the [California] department [of resources] has launched an ad campaign to encourage owners to be aware of the recommended oil-change interval for their car." + + Does that add anything about Davis? No. Does that add anything about O'Reilly Auto Parts? No. + + I didn't feel a comment to link to a random news article was worthy or relevant. + + In fact, reading the wiki page, the only mention of oil is "For people who change their own oil and filter O'Reilly accepts used motor oil that is not contaminated by water. They don't accept used oil filters." Does that add something about Davis? No. Does that add anything about O'Reilly Auto Parts? Yes, it does. + + The only other mention of oil was a comment just left, that basically said "their oil deposit is full, drop them off over at [another business / wiki page]. Is that relevant? Yes, it concerns both businesses. + + I feel as if you still don't understand the idea of relevancy and linkage on the wiki, or at least can't see the connection I feel many other people have tried to explain. I'm sorry for censoring you; for me it felt like pulling a weed. --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2012-01-06 21:44:23'' [[nbsp]] ["Automobile Repair"]. Bruce, we've had the relevance conversation many, many times. I think there are a lot of people who've reached the point where they feel like returning to that conversation is a waste of time. It hasn't done any good the last half dozen times. No one's "censoring" you. People ''are'' trying to keep content on the wiki relevant. Both relevant to Davis and relevant to whatever page the content is on. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2012-01-07 12:13:12'' [[nbsp]] [http://daviswiki.org/Automobile_Repair?action=diff&version2=148&version1=146 Why?] --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2012-01-07 12:37:45'' [[nbsp]] Please stop your pointless reorganizing and addition of useless content. It makes the wiki worse and apparently EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU can see it. --["Users/WilliamLewis"] + ------ + ''2012-01-07 12:51:19'' [[nbsp]] Breaking out pages with little content is worse. Loading more pages to get to the content you want is pointless. The heuristic you should use to create a new page out of a section on a page is if that section crowds out all the other content on the page. This is not a hard and fast rule. --["Users/WilliamLewis"] + There are only two auto parts stores in Davis. The small number imposes a limitation. However there are a lot more in the surrounding area that should be encouraged to be listed to help satisfy the car repair-maintenance needs. This could happen within the Automobile Repair page, but it would happen more on a separate page. --["Users/BruceHansen"] + As you say, there are only two auto parts store in Davis and this imposes a limitation on the content of the page. So, the page shouldn't be created and the content should remain on the larger page. You also say that the page can be expanded by writing about auto part stores in the surrounding area. So, you're proposing that the wiki have a resource about things outside of Davis when it's unlikely that many people will need to leave the town to meet their needs. I remind you, this is DAVISWiki. Finally, doing anything to foster the growth of a page is a pointless. If you don't do it (which you shouldn't, btw), it's a good assumption that nobody else will. --["Users/WilliamLewis"] + Personally, I think it would be helpful to list more than the Davis stores, as they often aren't sufficient. At present I don't use the wiki for this as I have some stores as contacts in my phone. If there was a listing it would be useful to me. I think others as well as me can help with the listing. Before there was the Target people talked about going to Woodland to buy underwear. Maybe there's some other types of businesses that should have listings beyond Davis. --["Users/BruceHansen"] + I do agree with this as a concept: the Davis Wiki covers the community of Davis, which does need to procure things elsewhere or have specific kinds of interactions in other locales (the Yolo Courthouse, for example, or homebrewing being popular but the nearest beer brewing supplies store being in Citrus Heights). That said, do not use the previous without this important aspect: they should be used sparingly, and only when they actually provide a specific service to members of the Davis community. For instance, the nearest public space port is in the Mojave Desert. It's a service that Davis does not provide. It's also one that (at this time), is not really in use by the community of Davis. Be sure that you're not listing automotive parts stores that are theoretically places people could go. When one person makes a list, it instantly sounds like that is what they are doing, because it's unlikely you go to all of them equally. -jw + Yes. Perhaps more recommended stores could be noted. Auto Zone would be at the top of my list. -bh + ------ + ''2012-01-07 21:45:52'' [[nbsp]] You [http://daviswiki.org/Automobile_Repair?action=diff&version2=159&version1=158 completely removed] an auto repair place from the auto repair page. Why? --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2012-01-09 06:32:31'' [[nbsp]] For a second, I almost panicked and thought I actually did. :) --["Users/jsbmeb"] + ------ + ''2012-01-09 18:16:35'' [[nbsp]] That still doesn't fix the fact that the name of the group itself has a grammar error in it. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2012-01-09 21:03:45'' [[nbsp]] Not a decade as in the 1920s. There is no 19 to get rid of, thus no '20s. --["Users/WilliamLewis"] + ------ + ''2012-01-11 10:09:31'' [[nbsp]] [http://daviswiki.org/Wiki_Community/User_Information?action=diff&version2=62&version1=61 Seriously?] --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2012-01-11 13:29:52'' [[nbsp]] I asked 'seriously' because I was surprised at what you edited onto that page. Yes, I got the reference to the Streets pages you've been looking at, but that wasn't the time or place at all. It came across as annoying, especially because it was off-topic and of absolutely no relevance. I don't think I'm [http://daviswiki.org/Users/EdWins?action=diff&at_date=1326313934.35569 the only one] who saw it that way, either. --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2012-01-11 22:27:39'' [[nbsp]] Bruce, something to think about. How many editor hours have gone into discussing and untangling your various reorganizations and reimaginings on the wiki? The ration of time spent to actual ''new'' content added to the wiki is staggering. I'm sure you're familiar with the expression "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Please stop fiddling with stuff. Please. It's frustrating, it's exhausting, and it wastes a huge amount of everyone's time. Dozens of editors have probably spent hundreds of hours trying to explain the same problems and fix the same messes. It needs to stop. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + You aren't being specific. Are you complaining about ["Navigating Davis"]? bh + ------ + ''2012-01-12 07:25:05'' [[nbsp]] Navigating Davis + Arriving Businesses + Streets/Talk + Wiki Community/User Information + Streets/Talk + Automobile Repair + Friends of West Pond/Talk + Quad/The Quad + "Friends" and "pond" + [http://daviswiki.org/Taxi_Services/Talk?action=diff&version2=50&version1=49 Taxi Services/Talk] + + That's from just the last couple of weeks. The bulk of your edits are fiddling and reorganization to shape the wiki based on semantic, rather than logical or functional, connections (let's not forget the ultimate time waster, Station). We've had these conversations over and over and over again. People have tried to explain relevance over and over again. People have tried to explain the purpose of talk pages over and over again. We constantly get bogged down in this crap. + + I know you mean well, Bruce, and I appreciate your good intentions. But most of your edits make a mess other people have to clean up. When people try to explain, it seems to roll off you like water off a duck's back. I don't know how to handle this, and I don't think anyone else does, either. I'm exhausted by it, though. I'm tired of having to clean up the messes. You're a nice guy. I like you, and I feel bad being harsh about it, but I feel like we've tried everything else. It's like banging my head on a brick wall. + + Please please please stop fiddling. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2012-01-12 07:32:13'' [[nbsp]] I agree 110% with Tom. To give a super specific, Bruce, on the ["Navigating Davis"] edits you just made, you took the sentence "Other streets are named after prestigious universities" and linked it to ["Land Grant University"]. Why? There is absolutely no connection between the subject and page content of LGU and the sentence you linked it from. This is exactly the kind of linking people have been asking you to stop for nearly two years. --["Users/EdWins"] + ------ + ''2012-01-12 07:51:47'' [[nbsp]] I also agree with Tom. Here's the thing. The wiki is a collaborative editing project. None of us gets our way all of the time. It's unfortunate, but most of the other editors don't agree with the word play and hyper-organization edits that Tom describes and that people have talked to you about many, many times. Those editors, which include myself, think that those edits make the wiki worse rather than better. That's not to say I think that all of your edits are bad. For example, you created a page for the new Indian restaurant recently. That's great! That's the kind of editing that builds the wiki -- adding new content. But I must add my voice to TG's plea -- please please please stop the fiddling. I know you probably think it's making the wiki better, but please collaborate and hear what other editors are telling you. It's not. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2012-01-12 08:01:27'' [[nbsp]] I'm going to reiterate what others have said. The work you do classifying and reclassifying things is utterly useless. You link to irrelevant pages, often stating the obvious to do so. As a whole, your edits harm the wiki more than they help. Beyond that, you waste all our time when we have to constantly explain what you're doing wrong. It doesn't feel like you are listening to these complaints and your editing has not changed significantly, despite people spending hours and hours trying to educate you on what everyone else sees as obvious. + + Please stop doing ANYTHING besides adding content. Don't reorganize pages. Don't try to improve linking. Don't create hub pages. Don't rename pages. Don't fix what you see are errors or things you see as illogical. You've demonstrated that when you do these things, you produce nothing of value. + + Again, you are wasting everyone's time. People have tried to be nice about this, but you've continued. This has got to stop. --["Users/WilliamLewis"] + ------ + ''2012-01-12 08:50:20'' [[nbsp]] The linking and reorganizing seems quite excessive and more confusing than helpful. I've noticed that you haven't added anything to the wiki in quite awhile, and perhaps you're just fiddling with things to feel like you're active. It's a bad idea, and often causes serious problems that you seem to not foresee. The constant unnecessary and often incorrect editing for the sake of editing is frustrating other editors that have tried to work with you about this same issue for many months. I'm not sure if you're not understanding what people are saying to you or just slying ignoring them. --["Users/JabberWokky"] + ------ + ''2012-01-12 15:31:55'' [[nbsp]] I asked for specifics and I got linking of "universities" on Navigating Davis, Arriving Businesses, Streets/Talk, Wiki Community/User Information, Automobile Repair, Friends of West Pond/Talk, Quad/The Quad, "Friends" and "Pond" and Taxi Services/Talk. The link for "universities" was the best that I could find. I don't see that edit as being so bad. Do you think that there shouldn't be a link or do you have a better one? I mostly added to descriptions to Navigating Davis; I deleted "avoid it" about East Davis. The only ("only" you ask?) category thing I did there was add a UC Davis section. Do you think that part of Davis shouldn't be included in Navigating Davis as it had been? The list of streets mostly exclude UC Davis streets, probably due to a limitation of City of Davis street databases. That's not worth mentioning? Perhaps you didn't like that I corrected a problem with Old Davis Road that existed from its creation that it falsely started the street at California Avenue and didn't anything of the beginning of the street, of which there's quite a bit to mention. I pointed out a problem that Arriving Businesses mostly has already arrived businesss. I took a chance with inserting a comment on Community/User Information and lost. Automobile repair: We had a disagreement over relevance related to oil change intervals. Did you object to my adding a "Tire Performance" sub heading to Autobile Repair for quite a body of information that was there that's not specific to Davis? We had a disagreement, but worked it out regading Auto Parts. That was bad? I hadn't heard anything more about Automobile Repair. Were you just throwing up your hands? Tom reverted Asian Auto Care there, a departed business, and left it that way even after I explained why I deleted it. Friends of West Pond/Talk: I was wondering about more content being on that article than Pond. That was a problem? And it seems to have been a really big deal about the "Friends" link. Obviously I make some mistakes? Isn't correcting a mistake a part of collaboration? We had a discussion about The Quad and I corrected some text to "the Quad." No one has said anything about it. I pointed out in Talk about a problem with cell phone use in taxis. Bad? I just really hang on CP's words, including "collaboration," after he cussed me out for commenting on a change Tom made for the beginning of the main pepper-spray article. It would be helpful to me at least if you would address problems specifically. If you really feel that my editing is a problem, I can leave it your way to most any extent. --["Users/BruceHansen"] + * My comment above was very specific, and I asked 'why.' Your response is: ''The link for "universities" was the best that I could find. I don't see that edit as being so bad. Do you think that there shouldn't be a link or do you have a better one?'' Again, I want to ask if you could please explain to me why it's linked to that page? The only answer I can envision might relate to the fact that the word 'university' is in the page title (land grant university). And that's not a good reason - there's no context, and it's not actually related at all to the sentence it's linked from. I'm all for links, when they make sense, or inform the reader. That does neither, and it's one in a long series that you've done. --''ES'' + * It seemed to me that "universities" or "prestigious universities" could be linked to a page (although now I wonder how prestigious the universities are that have street names here). I did a search for "university" and the page that I linked was the best that I saw. I didn't consider linking to the university themed streets section of the themed streets page. That might be better. (The section is titled "Colleges and Universities with "Western Group" and "Eastern Group" sub sections. The standard for other wiki links isn't very high it seems to me. For instance I recently edited Interstate 505. It began with "Interstate 505 is a ["Streets" highway] connector." Why was the word highway used and why was it linked to Streets? You haven't specifically said what you would or wouldn't do about the "university" link matter we're discussing. -bh + * Answer: Do nothing. Leave it alone. There is no urgency to put a link there. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + * CP answered it: nothing. Every word on the wiki "could" be linked to something, but that doesn't mean it ''should.'' I am interpreting your explanation as you linked it to something because the word was in the page title. That's bad editing: it makes the wiki worse. It's a superficial link based solely on the word "university" being in common: there is no context. There is no relevance. The sentence has nothing to do with the subject you linked it to. Does it improve the page? Does it inform the reader in some way? No, in every way, no, it doesn't. It's meaningless, and only confuses. Which is why it shouldn't be done, and people have been asking you to stop doing it for a very, very long time. Not every link always makes the most sense, as it's a work in progress. But there is not as large of a difference linking streets vs highways, as opposed to your: "streets are named after universities" vs "congress gives land to universities." Streets/Highways are much more related: you drive them, navigate them, whatever. It's like comparing a tangerine against an orange. They're related fruits, similar. Size range can vary, but roughly same color/type. They might taste close to each other, and heck, they might even be tricky to tell apart at a quick glance. But your links have absolutely no relation, except in that they both use the word "university." It's like comparing a tangerine against an orangutan. They have absolutely nothing in common, except for the fact that they might be roughly the same shade of color. --''ES'' + + ------ + ''2012-01-12 16:36:35'' [[nbsp]] [http://daviswiki.org/Interstate_505?action=diff&version2=5&version1=4 Really? You replaced an explicit explanation of the situation with a potentially ambiguous one because it was less confusing to you?!] --["Users/WilliamLewis"] + Initailly "two lane" gave me the impression that it was saying that it was a two lane highway. A more explicit phrase that I would prefer would be "four lane freeway -- two lanes in each direction," but I don't know that the "two lanes" part is necessary. -bh + * Answer: Do nothing. Leave it alone. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2012-01-12 17:15:57'' [[nbsp]] ''"It would be helpful to me at least if you would address problems specifically. If you really feel that my editing is a problem, I can leave it your way to most any extent."'' + + We have, Bruce. Many, many times. We've been over why your semantic connections that hold no real-world significance or function aren't good. We've been over why things that aren't related to Davis don't belong on the wiki. We've been over what ["Wiki Community/Glossary" Talk pages] are for. I have discussed all of these things with you myself, and many other editors have done the same. I don't know whether you didn't listen, you didn't understand, you forgot, or you're just ignoring it. But it obviously didn't stick. + + In short, yes, I think a large part of your editing is a problem. Not all of it, but a lot of it. I think it's a problem for two reasons. 1) The editing style. The writing is often confusing. It creates connections that don't make sense. It misuses talk pages. It has all of the problems we've discussed many times before. 2) It wastes a HUGE amount of time. People have to explain the same issues over and over and over again, even though it never does any good. + + In an ideal world, we'd have a conversation about functionality vs. semantics and a conversation about relevance, and we'd all be on the same page. Unfortunately, we've had those conversations, but not only are we not on the same page, we aren't even working from the same book. The thousands of words people have written to you to explain have gone completely ignored. + + I don't know what to do anymore. You do make some positive contributions, but you also make a huge number of messes. I want the messes to stop. I'd love to have the positive contributions continue, but I haven't seen any sign that you're able to distinguish between the things that everyone else thinks are messes and the things that aren't. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2012-01-12 18:51:25'' [[nbsp]] You asked for specifics and TG gave a list of pages that you edited recently. I'll be blunt. All of the edits that you made on all of those pages were problematic, in the ways that we've explained here and many times before. None of those edits should have been made. Again, to contrast, [http://daviswiki.org/Zindagi_-_Indian_Bistro?action=diff&version2=1&version1=0 here is a good edit that you made]. You said you keep focusing on what I said about collaboration. Good. I think that perhaps that's the main point here. Others are telling you that your editing is a problem, and you are not listening. You continue to insist on doing things your way. If I failed to act collaboratively with you at some point (I don't know the specific incident you're talking about) then I apologize. I am far from perfect. However, that does not change the fact that the wiki is meant to be edited collaboratively -- not what you see is right, but what we all work out together. When I fail to act collaboratively, people tell me. Well, people are telling you. You need to stop fiddling with the organization of pages, making new categories for things, making empty pages, making links just to have more links. Again, please stop. --["Users/CovertProfessor"] + ------ + ''2012-01-13 10:11:40'' [[nbsp]] Incidentally, I did [http://daviswiki.org/Automobile_Repair?action=diff&version2=165&version1=164 re-add information] from the oil change article you linked. That's another example of having to clean up a mess. That article has nothing to do with O'Reilly. It is relevant to a listing of oil change places, which people might use to find a shop when they need an oil change. It's good info that you put into a bad place, and editors had to spend a bunch of time trying to explain (for probably the 20th time) why it didn't belong in that place. --["Users/TomGarberson"] + ------ + ''2012-01-13 11:30:32'' [[nbsp]] After you raised objections, there was editing Interstate 505, which was a problem. I started editing because when I read starting at the beginning of the article "Interstate 505 is a highway..." and saw the "two lanes," it looked like it was incorrectly saying that Interstate 505 was a highway. The "university" link seems to be a big problem; it's the only specific one to be brought up. While you haven't given any specifics, for instance about "reorganizing," obviously there are problems. Perhaps you look at the changes in my last edit to Navigating Davis and it looks confusing. Maybe not. I hope things get better for everyone. --["Users/BruceHansen"]

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  	+ This page is a continuation of a current discussion on ["Users/BruceHansen"]. With discussion on this page, the other page can resume a more normal functioning. + + + Fact #1: Other editors have discussed many specific edits with you. + Fact #2: Other editors have told you how those edits violate wiki norms. + Fact #3: You have continued to violate those wiki norms with subsequent edits, and insisted that editors provide new explanations. + Fact #4: The editors have repeated the explanations (many, many, many times), but you continue to break wiki norms. + Fact #5: Other editors have become frustrated because you repeatedly ignore wiki norms -- and they have stated this. + Fact #6: Other editors have become frustrated because, each time, you act as though you are hearing these explanations for the first time -- and they have stated this. + Fact #7: When other editors try to discuss their concerns and frustrations with you, you either ignore them or derail the discussion with side issues. + + All of these facts are demonstrably true. Do you disagree with any of them? If so, please state which ones. It would help other editors understand where your thinking is. It would be most helpful if you just answered the question "yes or no," and then listed which facts you disagree with, if any. + ----- + Do to time constraint, I respectfully ask those interested in this subject to be patient to receive my response. I do not intend to avoid this matter, rather I will attempt to clarify and help resolve this issue. Some significant points are that I had been pursuing legitimate editing goals, but I didn't want to fight to prevail. The mention of possible trolling was something that was untrue and not what I am about. An ensuing discussion of that, of which this discussion is a continuation, was painful for me. I was totally off-line from a week before last Friday until the following Sunday, so that I would not get sucked into this wiki. Eventually I started to edit without reading most of the above "Facts," most of which were probably on my user page later on Sunday when I accidentally saw my page and that there was a list, but left the page without reading it. (Later editors were trying to entice me back to my user page, so I minimized the side of the page window and took a peek at the first line and read that I was into ["bouldering"] and flew my own plane -- I wish. I got a chuckle out of that.) I acknowlege that I made some editing mistakes. I believe there were some things I learned. I noticed day before yesterday that I became absorbed in the Wiki to the detriment of balance in my life and the best edits that I am capable, which negatively effected the lives of others. So it actually is with thought of benefit to all, that I am trying to have balance in my life and so, have not immediately responded to the demands of others. Thank you for your understanding. --["Users/BruceHansen"]

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  	+ ----- + I think I should give an explanation of my involvement with this. I met Maureen when she was a guest at this establishment. She told me that the manager had recommended to her and other guests to not use the cab co. with which I am associated. However after she attempted to call the cabs he had recommended and others, she turned to us. Corroberating her story, I knew that business cards of this cab co. were removed from the front desk area. She said that the manager had gotten his negative advise from reading the Davis Wiki. I said that it was good that he was looking out for his guests according to what he believed to be true, (eventhough I know that there has been misinformation and lies posted there). I didn't say a word to her that she should use the Wiki or that I was involved with it. (Come to think of it, she could have been prompted to use the Wiki because the GM mentioned it.) Yesterday she asked me to visit; I told her that I was familiar with the Wiki and I demonstrated some features of it. She wanted to go back and edit her first comment, so I just facilitated it without telling her what to say or type. --["Users/BruceHansen" "Art"]

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  	+ ------ + ''2012-02-08 02:31:00'' [[nbsp]] I am so pleased with my decision to switch over from the Comfort Suites Hotel to La Quinta. The General Manager, Melissa is so much more respectful to me. I am so much more relaxed here, and feel more welcome. I have some cognitive, memory problems now as a Senior Citizen,and they have been very patient, and understanding about that. I have a much better view to here on the 3rd floor, the view is awesome of big tall trees,compared to the bushes, and parking lot I had a view of at the Comfort Suites Hotel. I feel confident the management will not enter my room without my permission except in case of a legitimate reason to check on my safety, or the physical safety of the room, such as a flood, or fire. It brings back good memories of when I was in Oregon. --["Users/deals911"]

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  - 2012-02-02 23:31:32 I had a very negative experience with the General Manager while staying at the Comfort Suites UC (CA642)from January 13th to Feb 02, 2012. The General Manager Adam had the attitude, and even stated " the room is my room, not yours, I can enter it anytime I want." I had told the front desk clerk, Fouzy, that I thought one of the electrical outlets under the desk was not working. But, also said, I don't like anyone to enter the room when I am not in, when I have the DO NOT DISTURB sign on the door. I left to go to the IHOP restaurant with a neiighbor from the LA QUINTA HOTEL. When I returned the General Manager Adam told me, “you forgot to take your “Do not Disturb” sign off. We checked all the outlets,and they have 120 Vs. You should read the instruction manual for your humidifier. I felt that I had inconvenienced them to check the electrical outlet. This was not any emergency, I was shocked he had entered the room in my absence when the “DO NOT DISTURB” sign was on the door. It made it difficult for me to sleep when I was there.	+ 2012-02-02 23:31:32 (I borrowed a friends laptop, but, I am the one making this post.) I had a very negative experience with the General Manager while staying at the Comfort Suites UC (CA642)from January 13th to Feb 02, 2012. The General Manager Adam had the attitude, and even stated " the room is my room, not yours, I can enter it anytime I want." I had told the front desk clerk, Fouzy, that I thought one of the electrical outlets under the desk was not working. But, also said, I don't like anyone to enter the room when I am not in, when I have the DO NOT DISTURB sign on the door. I left to go to the IHOP restaurant with a neiighbor from the LA QUINTA HOTEL. When I returned the General Manager Adam told me, “you forgot to take your “Do not Disturb” sign off. We checked all the outlets,and they have 120 Vs. You should read the instruction manual for your humidifier. I felt that I had inconvenienced them to check the electrical outlet. This was not any emergency, I was shocked he had entered the room in my absence when the “DO NOT DISTURB” sign was on the door. It made it difficult for me to sleep when I was there.

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  - 2012-02-02 23:31:32 I had a very negative experience staying at the Comfort Suites UC (CA642)from January 13th to Feb 02, 2012. The General Manager Adam had the attitude, and even stated " the room is my room, not yours, I can enter it anytime I want. I had told the front desk clerk, Fouzy, that I thought one of the electrical outlets under the desk was not working. But, also said, I don't like anyone to enter the room when I am not in, when I have the DO NOT DISTURB sign on the door. I left to go to the IHOP restaurant with a neiighbor from the LA QUINTA HOTEL. When I returned the General Manager Adam told me, “you forgot to take your “Do not Disturb” sign off. We checked all the outlets,and they have 120 Vs. You should read the instruction manual for your humidifier. He seemed that I had inconvenienced them to check the electrical outlet. This was not any emergency, I was shocked he had entered the room in my absence when the “DO NOT DISTURB” sign was on the door. This was very shortly after I first moved in. Being a female, and a rape Survivor this made me feel very uncomfortable, and unsafe. It made it difficult for me to sleep when I was there. - I had other issues going on too personally,and physically, to, but his attitude of feeling like he was GOD that he could enter whenever he feels like it made me very uncomfortable It exacerbated my insomnia problems, not feeling safe there. I told him that, at my apartment, they have to give me 24 hours notice to enter. Adam stated, "this is not an apartment, I can enter whether you have a "Do not Disturb" sign it or not. I couldn't understand why this rude/arrogant/I am GOD type of attitude. - I tipped everyone when I was there, all the front desk staff, the breakfast attendant, Lydia whom cleaned my room. I even tipped Adam before he had been rude, like he is GOD, and has the power to enter rooms whether you have a DO NOT DISTURB sign or not. That was because, he went out, and bought a rubber bath mat, when I told him I had almost slipped in the bathtub. He seemed to think it was a bother, but, said he would go get one, and just said he'd keep it when I left for his other guests. So, I felt guilty for inconveniencing him, and even tipped him $5.00 for going to get the bathmat. I am not a rich person. My room was paid by Jon Berkeley Management Inc, a very professional company that I have never had a problem with treating me rudely as a tenant at Twin Pines Apartments in Davis. Some very major repairs were being done, that blocked the tenants access, hence the reason for my stay at Comfort Suites UC Davis.	+ 2012-02-02 23:31:32 I had a very negative experience with the General Manager while staying at the Comfort Suites UC (CA642)from January 13th to Feb 02, 2012. The General Manager Adam had the attitude, and even stated " the room is my room, not yours, I can enter it anytime I want." I had told the front desk clerk, Fouzy, that I thought one of the electrical outlets under the desk was not working. But, also said, I don't like anyone to enter the room when I am not in, when I have the DO NOT DISTURB sign on the door. I left to go to the IHOP restaurant with a neiighbor from the LA QUINTA HOTEL. When I returned the General Manager Adam told me, “you forgot to take your “Do not Disturb” sign off. We checked all the outlets,and they have 120 Vs. You should read the instruction manual for your humidifier. I felt that I had inconvenienced them to check the electrical outlet. This was not any emergency, I was shocked he had entered the room in my absence when the “DO NOT DISTURB” sign was on the door. It made it difficult for me to sleep when I was there. + + His attitude of feeling like he was GOD that he could enter whenever he feels like it made me very uncomfortable It exacerbated my insomnia problems, not feeling safe there. I told him that, at my apartment, they have to give me 24 hours notice to enter. Adam stated, "this is not an apartment, I can enter whether you have a "Do not Disturb" sign it or not." I couldn't understand why this rude/arrogant/I am GOD type of attitude. + I spent 8 months in Guatemala in 2007, in very cheap hotels at $5-$10 p/night, and never was disrespected this way. I got better service from the General managers at the super cheap hotels in Guatemala! I got alot better view at the La Quinta Hotel on the 3rd floor. It makes me feel like I am in Oregon again. At the comfort suites hotel, I only had a view of some bushes, and the parking lot. + + I tipped Adam before he had been rude, like he is GOD, and has the power to enter rooms whether you have a DO NOT DISTURB sign or not. That was because, he went out, and bought a rubber bath mat, when I told him I had almost slipped in the bathtub. He seemed to think it was a bother, but, said he would go get one, and just said he'd keep it when I left for his other guests. So, I felt guilty for inconveniencing him, and even tipped him $5.00 for going to get the bathmat. I am not a rich person. My room was paid by Jon Berkeley Management Inc, a very professional company that I have never had a problem with treating me rudely as a tenant at Twin Pines Apartments in Davis. Some very major repairs were being done, that blocked the tenants access, hence the reason for my stay at Comfort Suites UC Davis.
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  - They also allowed me to bring in a hard of hearing telephone I had to use in my room. They accommodated an ambulance coming in to my room the previous Sat evening due to I was having some trouble breathing related to my Sleep Apnea. Due to some prior temporary strokes (TIA's), and a learning disability, I had left my room key in my room about 10 times in my three weeks there, and they were nice about that. This could have been a very pleasant stay. It kind of reminds me of the UCD Pepper Stay incident, where the cops used Industrial Grade Pepper Spray on completely peaceful UCDavis students doing lawful assembly. I am a senior citizen, I deserve to be treated better than this. I heard from some of the La Quinta Staff Hotel across the street, that they know he has done this to other guests as well, entering rooms without their permission. - As well I suspected the Head Housekeeper, Gloria was not giving all the tip money to the housekeeper, Lydia. I speak Spanish, and questioned Lydia about that, and was told she'd only gotten the tip once, when I'd given it twice. The head housekeeper at La Quinta told me she had worked for Gloria before as a housekeeper before, and she never got any tip money when Gloria worked as head housekeeper. - Having been a housekeeper/maid myself before many years ago, this was completely intolerable to me. I was exhausted, but, I stayed up to almost midnight, and by myself without a car carried five boxes, 2 suitcases, and several bags across the street to the better Hotel, La Quinta, and rented a room out of my own pocket, even though my room at Comfort Suite UC Davis was already being paid by JonBerkley, that was how angry I felt. The front desk at La Quinta offered to move my sewing machine over for me across the street as it was to heavy for me. As well as they provided a staff member to come with me while I checked out, as I wanted a witness that I had left the room clean, undamaged, and checked out before 11 AM. I recommend Comfort Suite, but, not the General Manager, Adam. Any further questions, or comments, email me at: redcrossalumni@yahoo.com	+ They also allowed me to bring in a hard of hearing telephone I had to use in my room. They accommodated an ambulance coming in to my room the previous Sat evening due to I was having some trouble breathing related to my Sleep Apnea. + + This could have been a very pleasant stay. I am a senior citizen, I deserve to be treated better than this. I heard from some of the La Quinta Staff Hotel across the street, that they know he has done this to other guests as well, entering rooms without their permission. + I was exhausted, but, I stayed up to almost midnight, and by myself without a car carried five boxes, 2 suitcases, and several bags across the street to the better Hotel, La Quinta, and rented a room out of my own pocket, even though my room at Comfort Suite UC Davis was already being paid by JonBerkley, that was how angry I felt. + + The front desk at La Quinta offered to move my vintage 1950s sewing machine over for me across the street as it was to heavy for me. As well as they provided a staff member to come with me while I checked out, as I wanted a witness that I had left the room clean, undamaged, and checked out before 11 AM. I recommend Comfort Suite, but, not the General Manager, Adam. Any further questions, or comments, email me at: redcrossalumni@yahoo.com

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  - I am a reasonable person, and if you want to protest, that is your right, BUT it is not your right to occupy the quad. And to the police officers, my message is simple: Please, enforce the law.	+ I am a reasonable person, and if you want to protest, that is your right, BUT it is not your right to occupy the quad. And to the police officers, my message is simple: I appreciate what you do, and please, enforce the law.