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concerns: sand-diki: first diki page
Some of you using the action=new URL have probably noticed that Mattis has prompted me to add an hour parameter, resulting in the hours and minutes being appended to the page name:
In that last case, however, I have the vague feeling that 2006-05-20_01h51_Test might be more appropriate. I’m not sure. When sorting inside a <journal> tag, would you want the entries for a day grouped by topic (id first) or strictly chronological (time first)?
– Alex
MattisManzel: Hm. Difficult.
Lets imagine we had
A
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and B
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how would they sort?
A
and B
hm, remains difficult
lets take a real wiki-page name like WikiSpam. On a diki the document-mode wiki-page (mother-page) and the day-pages for it make a unit.
A
B
The mother-page WikiSpam would sort somewhere else at the very end of the list (all pages for example).
It would not if it were
Bonjour Alex et Mattis
Sorry Mattis, I just wrote this contribution before having read yours and went in an edit-collision. Let’s say I just tried this morning on FêteInternet:CitationDuJour (a day quote) with a :
It works fine. So, it seems it belongs to the user to choose the appropriate parameter. Thanks for the flexibility. Currently making some tests of diki on Xtof:PageBavardage but still very experimental even if I think “talk-pages” and “topic-pages” could make sense to break the first seal of editing for newcomers. My question would be now : do you think it would be possible to label the DatePage on the Oddmuse:Blog_Module. I’ve seen on Oddmuse:TriJournal we could transform the title pages. Do you think we could transform a string like “2006-05-20” in displaying in french “samedi 20 mai 2006” or any multilingual sentence depending on the language browser preferences ? – ChristopheDucamp
MattisManzel: Outch! Xtof, I see the intention. There are some localy distributed date systems on plant earth, Germans say 21. Mai British say May 21st and so on. But that’s surely like with time; UTC is the choice. ISO date format yyyy-mm-dd. Give Alex a chance to solve it. If he is to concider local date formats now too his head will explode, and we don’t want that. Or maybe not? I mean, it will not explode? Maybe it’s good to even concider local date formats (I actually think they’re cosmetics). Maybe Alex likes it difficult. I’m not sure but have plenty of hope.
Alex’s proposal (vage feeling he said) sorts like
hm
Diki solves the edit-conflict problem btw. Edit conflicts get very unlikely.
Remains big hmm. I can’t but talk about a vage feeling.
If the date has to remain in the begining (which I’m assuming) this version vagely seems better to me
It reflects best that date-sequence and time-sequence are opposite by having the page-name in between them. Very vage.
– Mattis
I have no problem sticking with what we have right now. If we cannot decide between date_topic_time and date_time_topic, then we’ll just wait some more and observer ourselves and our visitors.
As for the localization of dates: ISO date format and UTC timezone were chosen so that I didn’t have to worry. It is possible to solve this, and there exist wikis that do this: They have a custom date/time function and they have a custom page sorting function.
The example that comes to mind is Pierre Gaston’s mother's site. I guess we could prepare a known set of such locales, and have a page called “Locale” where you could write the name of your locale, and I would load the appropriate code on demand. Do we really need this, however?
– Alex
$Translate{August} = 'Auguste'; I think that at the moment, month names should be translated with the main translation file. Files like month-names-fr.pl should no longer be loaded. Must be a bug in my setup somewhere. :)
– Alex
Hi Xtof – I don’t know what you mean. Don’t we all use the Gregorian calendar? The alternative would be an Muslim/Mayan/Julian/Jewish/etc calendar, no? – Alex
MattisManzel: Would you have a problem moving to PageName?_year-mn-dy_00h00? It was my initial feeling, that this might be neccessary. I have no other agument. Vage. - Mattis
MattisManzel: You are building this beautiful wiki-engine, I have no idea about doing such. I watch it, stunned. Go as you decide is best, Alex. It’s great that I can participate with ideas on it. And if I utter too much about “feelings” and such here and now, just ignore it.
about our terminology
AlexSchroeder: I switched to date_time_topic format.
Define external redirect: CitationDuJour PageName
The same page on other sites: